An Announcement!

Last week we introduced a new face to Fallen London, a Mr Benjamin Villein of the Ministry of Public Decency. Like all our major characters, he immediately discovered the joys of social media and began kicking up a fuss, which culminated in a bitter flame-war with Huffam, our resident journalist, on the subject of something called the Liber Visionis.

The thing is, Villein isn’t actually in-game yet, he exists only on Facebook. Of course, that didn’t stop our splendid players from tracking him down, chatting to him, speculating on how he fits into the game world and so on, which is precisely the kind of thing that makes these meta-characters so much fun to create. Of course the real question, which many of you picked up on immediately, is this: what the hell is Villein doing on Facebook anyway? Isn’t Echo Bazaar a Twitter game? So, a little earlier than scheduled, an announcement:

Echo Bazaar is coming to Facebook around the end of July.

To celebrate this frankly world-shaking paradigm shift in the very nature of social gaming, Failbetter’s army of drones have been hard at work creating a smorgasbord of goodies just for you. Over the next month we’ll be adding a ton of new content for all users: new stories, new ambition stuff, new art, maybe even a new gameplay mechanic or two. In addition to this, we'll be adding some bits of content especially for Facebook players, but that doesn’t mean our loyal Twitterers have to miss out: you can use your player account on either social network, so everyone gets a go at everything.

To reiterate: The vast majority of new content will be available to players signing in on either network. A few delicious treats will be available only to users who sign up on Facebook. But you can use the same account on both networks. So if you already play on Twitter, all you have to do is sign up via Faceboook for the FB-only content.

So, what can you expect? Vake hunters, we’ve got some exciting twists in your tale going up to level 90. Same for you, Nemesis players. Those investigating the mysteries of the Cheesemonger will find their efforts rewarded, while players lost in the realm of dreams will have new vistas to explore. We’ve got new locations, new shadowy, dangerous, persuasive and watchful content, we’re putting together an online community on Facebook for new and existing players, and we understand that the Masters are emerging from their period of hibernation to talk directly to players.I’ll be blogging about new stuff here every week, and you can also look forward to some behind the scenes insight from our writers. It’s going to be an exciting month, and we can’t wait for you folks to try out the new stuff.

And what exactly is the Liber Visionis? You'll find out very soon.

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Arthur
Arthur
7/5/2010 11:46:18 PM Permalink

A question: will we be able to associate our Twitter accounts and Facebook accounts for the purposes of EB? In other words, will awakeasaurusrex on Twitter and Arthur on Facebook be recognised by EB as being one and the same person?

Alexis Kennedy
Alexis Kennedy
7/6/2010 12:04:59 AM Permalink

Sure.

echo_henrik
echo_henrik
7/6/2010 12:29:01 AM Permalink

Maybe I'm misreading this announcement; if so, could you please clarify for me?  The way it sounds, you'll be offering access via Facebook as well as Twitter, with new content that can be accessed via both services.  Am I reading this right, or will some of the new content only be available through one service?

Alexis Kennedy
Alexis Kennedy
7/6/2010 12:32:08 AM Permalink

Facebook is really just another auth method, with some extra content to celebrate its addition.  

So there will be a particular delicious treat available only through FB. But the vast majority of the content will be for both.

Merriwether Fawkes
Merriwether Fawkes
7/6/2010 12:32:54 AM Permalink

*headdesk*

Those of us who've had to treat Facebook like a poorly trained housepet are going to have fun trying to untangle the privacy concerns around this, I suppose...

echo_henrik
echo_henrik
7/6/2010 12:34:02 AM Permalink

Thank you very much for the clarification!  Will all of the new content outlined specifically in the penultimate paragraph be available to all users, or only the Facebook contingent?

Alexis Kennedy
Alexis Kennedy
7/6/2010 12:34:53 AM Permalink

Absolutely no-one will *have* to sign up to FB - it's just another option.

meloukhia
meloukhia
7/6/2010 12:42:09 AM Permalink

This really dismays, upsets, horrifies, and angers me. Facebook has substantial privacy and security issues that may make some EBZ players reluctant to link their Facebook accounts, and some players (like myself) do not have Facebook accounts for a reason. It is grossly unfair to penalise us for not using Facebook by making some content available to Facebook players only.

It's certainly fine to enable it as another option (after all, I'm sure there are people on Facebook who want to play too and don't have/want to use Twitter). But to lock content away from people who don't want to use the service? That's not very nice.  

Ed Webb
Ed Webb
7/6/2010 12:42:10 AM Permalink

Et tu? Failbetter fails worse through failbook integration...  Undelicious.

Alexis Kennedy
Alexis Kennedy
7/6/2010 12:42:51 AM Permalink

The dreams, the ambitions, the Cheesemonger, all that, will be for everyone.

Paul
Paul
7/6/2010 12:46:08 AM Permalink

clarified slightly to address concerns.

Alexis Kennedy
Alexis Kennedy
7/6/2010 12:49:46 AM Permalink

Calm down, folks! Smile This is us, remember?

We're not going to force you to auth through Facebook. We're not going to force you to have both accounts. We're not 'locking content away'. We're just offering a welcome-aboard treat to Facebook players.

To reiterate: no-one at any point will ever be expected, required or forced to use Facebook.

Fairlight
Fairlight
7/6/2010 12:52:09 AM Permalink

I am HORRIFIED that there will be Facebook-only content and I will be downright INCENSED if I have to use Facebook to access anything related to my higher-level Persuasive or ambitions.

There is a reason I don't use Facebook.  My husband and I have agreed that Facebook will not be used by either of us due to the privacy and security concerns.  Furthermore, Facebook games are known to require people to spam.  I play EBZ because it is NOT on Facebook.

Fairlight
Fairlight
7/6/2010 12:53:16 AM Permalink

@Arthur -- but I don't WANT to associate my Twitter with a Facebook account.

Alexis Kennedy
Alexis Kennedy
7/6/2010 12:57:54 AM Permalink

Fairlight - read the comment above. Complete with smiley.

_Ashbet_
_Ashbet_
7/6/2010 1:11:55 AM Permalink

I admit, I'm a little dismayed to learn that there is going to be inaccessible content (I wouldn't want to link my public Twitter with my private FB account), but I understand that the higher-level stuff is going to be for everyone, which is lovely.

The idea of an FB-only treat is understandable, given that you're trying to entice new members to join on another platform -- but please do keep in mind that a lot of EBZ players have very significant privacy/security concerns with FB, and may not want to have their anonymous Twitter name accessible via FB (which is notorious about not respecting user privacy.)

As long as you guys keep it a game which can satisfactorily be played solely through one platform or the other, that's great Smile

Arthur
Arthur
7/6/2010 1:29:37 AM Permalink

What sort of perk are we talking about with the Facebook-only stuff? Is it simply some form of small trinket for your inventory or something like that?

A modest proposal: perhaps there could be a game mechanically similar but different in flavour bonus treat for people who tick a box saying "I never want to associated my EB account with Facebook; please remove the option from my home screen". So there's a toy for embracing Facebook and an equally nice (but different) toy for keeping it old school.

@Ceona
@Ceona
7/6/2010 1:38:05 AM Permalink

I for one welcome this. I'm not sure if I'll use the Facebook one as well, but it's great to see Echo Bazaar expanding. A bit of extra stuff for Facebook users sounds like an excellent idea. It certainly won't impact on my enjoyment of playing the Twitter version. Not really bothered if there's a story arc I can't follow, there's plenty on Twitter to keep me entertained.

Hope the launch goes well guys.

Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
7/6/2010 1:39:35 AM Permalink

Thanks for the update.  Nemesis content, yay!

I agree with the commenters who have shown up to diss Facebook.  I only go there if I get friend requests, usually to hit "ignore" or repeat my admonition that I rarely visit FB.

Janna
Janna
7/6/2010 2:00:53 AM Permalink

I use Facebook vastly more often than Twitter, and I feel most of the concerns about privacy on Facebook are much ado about nothing. I applaud this decision!

Gil
Gil
7/6/2010 2:32:04 AM Permalink

Is there potentially an option for those of us who would like to see the facebook content, but don't want to have facebook as a whole knowing our twitter info, to give you enough information that our accounts can be linked only within the one application that you run?

Tiferet
Tiferet
7/6/2010 3:16:54 AM Permalink

I'm with Fairlight.  I have a facebook account.  It has my real name and my employer on it.  Think I want everyone I play EBZ with to know that stuff?

Think again.  No amount of smiley counteracts the fact that Facebook forces people to use their real names and that many people joined Facebook when they had to list their work/school affiliation to get in.  I'm disappointed.

Pontifexprimus
Pontifexprimus
7/6/2010 3:28:08 AM Permalink

I have no facebook account, I won't ever get one, and I spent a lot of time successfully convincing family and friends to drop theirs because of the aforementioned privacy and security issues. While I don't begrudge the developers their attempt to open up new userbase I really, really hope that the exclusive stuff will be limited to minor things; it would be intensely frustrating to be punished for risk-aware behaviour.

Lise
Lise
7/6/2010 3:44:06 AM Permalink

I don't mind the extension to FB, but I have no interest in publicly integrating my Twitter and FB accounts. However, I do have friends on FB who don't have Twitter and might be interested in joining the game. Forgive my ignorance of both FB and Twitter APIs, but will there be a way for me to interact in-game with my FB friends without it being plastered all over FB? I share the same privacy and spamming concerns as others.

Kiki
Kiki
7/6/2010 6:08:44 AM Permalink

Awesome! Anything that lets me play echo bazaar more than I am already (which is all day, everyday) is super rad in my books. Now if only you would come out with an iphone app.
xoxox
Keep up the good work!

kylee
kylee
7/6/2010 6:27:50 AM Permalink

Aww. I have to say I was super-excited when I read this post because of all the new content that's coming out -- new content that more than makes up, I think, for whatever I might miss by not using Facebook. I don't play the storylets that have to be paid for in fate, either, and I don't think I'm missing out much with that. I love Echo Bazaar, and I'm really glad you're doing this, because I knows tons of people who have never touched twitter but do have Facebook and this will be a good way to reach them. ^_^

kylee
kylee
7/6/2010 6:33:16 AM Permalink

Also, let me say again: super-excited by all the new content that's coming out. The Cheesemonger! New dreams! New locations! And I actually got to interact a bit with the Masters recently, and it made my day.

Shiro
Shiro
7/6/2010 6:35:44 AM Permalink

What's the point of FB-exclusive content? And provided there is one, why does FB get exclusive content and Twitter does not?

It's not about not forcing people to use FB imo, it's the fact that by having FB-exclusive content you are keeping people who don't have and don't want one from enjoying said content for no clear reason.

BlindingPhil
BlindingPhil
7/6/2010 6:38:45 AM Permalink

A lot of people saying "Why oh why oh why do I have to publicly link my Twitter and FB accounts to be able to do all this stuff?".  I'm not sure you've even said that the two will be visible between each other?
Seems to me it's more likely that there will simply be two gateways to enter the same game, with an extra treat under the doormat of the one gateway.
Is there any clarification on how this will all work, before people explode?

Also, thanks for the new content!  I've got my Vake maxed out, as well as my Dangerous and (very soon) my Watchfulness.  I've also beaten the Soul Trade (disappointingly short, to be honest, for 25 fate), and ll that remains is to get my billion prisoners' honey for the Hotel Bethlehem! ;)

GodaiNoBaka
GodaiNoBaka
7/6/2010 9:21:23 AM Permalink

The privacy concerns about Facebook are very real.  There is also a very simple solution.  Remove your personal information from your Facebook account and use it only for gaming.  Create a new Facebook account, if you're concerned that they won't honor your attempts to remove your personal information.  What isn't entered cannot be shared (or stolen).  

Personally, I look forward to the change, so I can ditch my Twitter account permanently.  EB is the only reason I still have it, and when I can auth EB from Facebook, Twitter will be a thing of the past for me.

Allandaros
Allandaros
7/6/2010 10:53:14 AM Permalink

I've got to say, I don't understand the rationale of the people posting angrily about Facebook integration. If Failbetter made a totally new game for Facebook, would you still be feeling irate and put out because the game requires you to use Facebook? I suspect not; you would just not play the game. It's like that, only the majority of the game is something you've seen already.

I mean - the privacy concerns over Facebook are totally and completely legit, to my way of thinking. I don't know that I'll be integrating EBZ in; I have pulled most of my information off of Facebook and don't like adding apps or etc. I do agree that I'd like to see the new content on Twitter, because hey, new content. But I can't parse how that turns into righteous indignation because Failbetter has the temerity to expand onto something that isn't Twitter.

Matt
Matt
7/6/2010 10:55:29 AM Permalink

Does this mean I can finally cancel my Twitter account? Smile I signed up just for playing echo bazaar, which I love, but I find Twitter to be a pain, especially since it's down half of the time, denying my access to the game. Will I be able to play it from my FB account without losing my character?

Suitov
Suitov
7/6/2010 11:05:33 AM Permalink

Games are the reason I have a Facebook account, and Facebook is the reason my Facebook account contains only fake information!  I think I'll continue to play through Twitter-auth, but I'll probably have a go through FB too.

Jared
Jared
7/6/2010 1:21:38 PM Permalink

I've quit Facebook (personally), but still think this is a great move (generally).

Also, as long as I got new game content out of it, I'd happily endorse Echo Bazaar torturing puppies.

Joe
Joe
7/6/2010 7:11:11 PM Permalink

Just make a separate Facebook account for your character.  Simple, and you might even get extra Subtle for it.

Alexis Kennedy
Alexis Kennedy
7/6/2010 7:17:50 PM Permalink

Thanks all for your comments.

We'll be talking more in a while about the specific nature of FB-only content: but it's 'a delicious treat or two', not a major plotline or anything.

We'll also be releasing more info over the next few weeks about the details of integration. But in short - if you don't want anyone to know that your Twitter and FB account belong to the same person, you shouldn't (and don't have to) link the two. That's the only privacy issue. We won't be broadcasting your personal data, forcing you to provide personal data, spamming your Facebook stream or publishing any information about you that isn't already available. We're Failbetter, and we don't do that sort of thing.

Bear in mind that Twitter-only players have a huge trove of Twitter-only content: the Masters. Benjamin is still the only Facebook-based character.

We have a firm no-puppy-torture policy.

Ryan Williams
Ryan Williams
7/6/2010 7:56:38 PM Permalink

Good GRAVY, you would think the EB team just burned an orphanage!

Get over the victim fantasy of privacy violations and if you are concerned with facebook's policies, then don't link EB to facebook.  There's nothing wrong with offering incentives to get FB members onboard, game devs have been doing it for years to give people a reason to buy cross-platform games (which this essentially is).

I for one think that having the option to use via facebook will be interesting, as twitter is somewhat limited in both the size of allowable posts and the number of users.

I will be signing in with both Twitter AND Facebook, and I will be following a very simple rule:  If there is something I don't want the world to know, I won't publish it on the Internet.

p.s. Libor Visionis = The Book of Visions.  Borrowed from the 5th Century Latin Vulgate perhaps?

Eyetie
Eyetie
7/6/2010 8:00:34 PM Permalink

Just to re-iterate Joe's point:

"Just make a separate Facebook account for your character.  Simple, and you might even get extra Subtle for it."

Spend 30 seconds creating a new/fake profile and those delicious goodies shall be yours.  Oh yes.

Merriwether Fawkes
Merriwether Fawkes
7/6/2010 10:14:09 PM Permalink

I'm not horrified or outraged or even put out by the news -- just wondering what my response to this new information should be, given how I've had to respond to FB's overwhelmingly poor judgment about my personal information. Not that I think Failbetter is in any way as stupid about such things as Faceberg has been, though the old adage about lying with dogs and getting up with fleas might apply here.

I've got a "real name" FB account contained now, used only in a separate browser with limited cookies and I removed all my personal information from my profile months ago. I learned to hate their apps after about six months, and I hate the spam stream now even worse. As such, I rarely ever visit FB anymore, for the basic reason that it doesn't fulfill any social networking needs that I have.

My curiosity now is whether my EBZ friends will get FB accounts for their characters in the game, and will I be missing interaction with them if/when they do? It's not enough to make me rush over and create a separate account for Merriwether Fawkes/cl0ckw0rks just yet, but I will be Watchful. Smile

Lex
Lex
7/7/2010 6:03:11 PM Permalink

"Bear in mind that Twitter-only players have a huge trove of Twitter-only content: the Masters. Benjamin is still the only Facebook-based character."

This is true, but have the Masters ever provided anything actually in the game that, at this point, cannot be obtained without them? The only thing I can think of offhand is the Starveling Cat, and there's only one of those to my knowledge, that can be passed onto anyone Twitter or no. (by "at this point" I mean I'm excluding First Growth and Black Wings, since both of those have ways of being obtained in regular play)
I certainly don't mind Benjamin being on facebook, but to know I'm missing out on treats for not having an account is a tad annoying.

That said, I'm also a little annoyed that I didn't get in quick enough to get a map fragment, so you can't win them all. And I'm hardly one to complain with my Rubbery buddy. I'm just glad I've had time to calm down a little after my initial reaction, and I hope everyone in the orphanage-burning squad above has also had time to mull it over now.

Jim
Jim
7/7/2010 6:03:31 PM Permalink

A question: "We won't be ... spamming your Facebook stream" <-- this is good and addresses one of my main concerns about linking EB with facebook, BUT I would like to clarify - is this in the same manner as twitter currently acts ie. EB will never post on your facebook without PERMISSION, but you still need to do so to get the extra 10 actions per day?

I for one support the changes - it enables a new audience to experience EB in all its glory, and if the worst comes to the worst, just use a fake (blank) FB account to link EB to if you are worried about privacy and applications on your personal FB account.

Thanks Smile

rigmarole
rigmarole
7/7/2010 6:22:13 PM Permalink

Well, I'm not happy there will be content unavailable to me (CRAZY, I know - most people just adore it when websites pull that sort of stunt on them. Look at you, getting off on being withholding.) I won't touch Facebook again, not after some of the incredibly shady moves they've made over the last few years, not even with a bogus account.

I'm going to call this strike one. And hope there won't be a strike three anytime soon.

MsFeasance
MsFeasance
7/7/2010 8:06:37 PM Permalink

Does this mean I will have to link my twitter account to my Facebook? Because up until this point, for privacy purposes, I've been keeping the two separate, and I would prefer for it to stay that way.

Arthur
Arthur
7/7/2010 10:16:38 PM Permalink

Allow me to make a prediction: the FB-only content will consist of, at most, a handful of storylets that don't let slip any deep plot that Twitterers haven't already had access to for ages, and a small item which isn't actually that much better than the low-to-mid-tier equipment purchasable in the Bazaar. And I'm not sure about the storylets.

I have arrived at this prediction via the arcane method of reading FBG's announcements and noting that they refer to the FB bonuses as "treats" rather than "vast, uncountable treasures."

Phil
Phil
7/8/2010 2:16:39 AM Permalink

Stunned at the Facebook hysterics. Just create a new account on there! How hard is that to get?

Tiferet
Tiferet
7/8/2010 11:46:07 AM Permalink

Yeah, yeah, create a fake account for your character, except then you're still supporting Facebook and they're still getting revenue from your presence there.

Paul
Paul
7/8/2010 3:38:19 PM Permalink

More information on the Facebook functionality here: http://bit.ly/9tsISv

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Mishell Baker
Mishell Baker
7/28/2010 7:10:36 PM Permalink

I do not and will never use Facebook, not because I care personally about MY privacy (I have no illusions anyone cares about my personal info), but because their founder is absolutely the worst sort of person and I've no intention of adding to the pile of money he rolls around in.  

I sincerely hope that the addition of Facebook content will benefit Failbetter more than it will benefit that wretched waste of DNA, because otherwise I'm pretty upset about this.  If there were any justice in this world, Faceberg would be destitute under a bridge somewhere, and Alexis & Co. would be rolling around in a pile of money twice the size of his.

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